So recently I was interviewed for a podcast about how photographers are not making money from photography and potential ways where you can.
This is outside the pro photography categories of wedding, portrait and commercial where the excellent work done by these pros makes them a good living.
The podcast theme was about how amateur photographers can make money by using the various sites that allow you to upload art to be turned into t-shirts and even shower curtains and the arguably slightly more profitable route of stock photography.
The sites I have mentioned I have actively contributed to over the last few years and the difficulty I find is holding your hand higher than anyone else in the vast sea of items available pointing down to your own work for people to buy.
Stock photography is the latest avenue I have tried and the sites are quite picky about what they accept and I have changed the way I look at some things to take pictures of in order to make them more appealing to that selection process.
Going back to the podcast interview, we spent around an hour discussing these aspects of trying to, and for most of the time, failing to make decent money from non professional services.
You can hear the full interview here.
So at the end of the interview my colleague whos show it is allowed me to say what my website was (so it's possible for listeners to see my work - you know..networking ) , Twitter, Instagram etc but only after he'd stopped the recording and after he mentioned his own Patreon link where listeners could sponsor him towards future podcasts and get exclusive content etc. Another good way to make potential revenue you might be thinking to yourself. … but hang on, there's a twist in the tale yet to come.!
Once the edit was finished, I was sent the link to Soundcloud to have a listen and if you have done so or intend to do so I hope you feel that it is a good podcast.
Now me being from a tech background wanted (naturally) to want to market this and try to get some exposure for myself and in return the more people I would send to his Patreon so I recorded the audio from the Soundcloud page and added some of my images to a presentation and uploaded it to YouTube. My thinking being that if listeners could see some of the pictures I talk about in the podcast then it would accompany the interview quite well.
In 2 hours i’d had 19 listens compared to the 27 in 3 days of it being on the podcast Soundcloud page. Not bad you might say. It also had had 41 blog reads on my web site. All good stuff you might think and it was clear I was heading toward more listens through my channel than his.
Then…. I got an email.
“ I am unhappy to see that you’ve put my podcast episode on Youtube without my consent. Can you please take this down.”
Now I did ask at the end was it ok to use for my own marketing and the guy said yes.
“ By all means use the link on Soundcloud, but I did not give my permission to my podcast being put on Youtube.”
Im on several Facebook groups where you can promote photography and the members run into thousands, a point I made to the owner of the podcast but he was still insistent on me taking the film off YouTube which I did.
Now it strikes me that for someone who is looking for sponsorship to help make podcasts and having one of those podcasts the theme of NOT making money from photography and good ways where you can make a little extra, that you’d want as many people and post to as many places as possible to gain the max exposure. But no, he insisted that I take it down and 24 hours after this the amount of listens remains at 27 on Soundcloud.
I do feel slightly that I wasted my time over this as there seems to be no incentive by the owner to push this and earn something from his (and ultimately my) efforts.
“ This isn’t about exposure for me and I’m not desperate to chase exposure.”
Patreon is a complete hassle to set up, so to go to all this effort to then not want to have as much exposure for your work seems to be a little ineffectual and unproductive.
So ironically the podcast that talked about NOT making money and ways you can, itself seems to be dead in the water and the owner seems really and truly NOT want to make money from photography.!